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that they were necessary, and since you were not able to watch all of today's hearings, well, we did it all for you. here are the highlights. >> has the intelligence community kept track of how many times phone records obtained through section 215 of the patriot act were critical to discovering and disrupting terrorist threats? >> i don't have those figures today. >> wait a minute. we've talked to tin tell community about this yesterday, but you didn't have the figures yesterday. >> i gave an proximate number to them. >> what's your -- >> it's classified. >> okay. >> it's dozens of terrorist events that these have helped prevent. i want the american people to know we're trying to be transparent here, protect civil liberties and privacy but also the security of the country. >> if you knew that a suspect had made a call into area code 312, the city of chicago, it certainly defies logic that yu need to collect all of the
telephone calls made in the 312 area code on the chance that one of those persons might be on the other end of the phone. now, if you have a suspected contact, that to me is clear. i want you to go after that person. >> right. >> what i'm concerned about is the reach beyond that that affects innocent people. >> you've gotten into phone records. you've gotten into who they might be googling. you've gotten into who they might be e-mailing. what else do you feel that you can get? >> great harm has already been done by opening this up, and the consequence, i believe, is our security is jeopardized. there's no doubt in my mind that we will lose capabilities as a result of this and that not only the united states but those allies that we have helped will no longer be as safe as they were two weeks ago. some of these are still going to be classified and should be because if we tell the terrorists every way that we're going to track them, they will
get through, and americans will die. >> that's a pretty strong statement. now, here's why this is important to you. now, first, as you just heard, the nsa director said there are other classified programs we don't know about. how can we as americans make sure our privacy is not invaded. skronld, why should you as law abiding citizens take the nation at its word. and finally the bottom line is the nsa needs to keep americans safe, but the agency also needs to do this without trampling on the constitution. joining me now with reaction are two lawmakers. gentlemen, welcome to the program. >> good to be on. >> congressman, let me begin with you. sanchez says lawmakers learn significantly more about the spy programs at the nsa and she said i'll tell you what we heard, meaning the public, is, quote, only the tip of the iceberg.
do you know what she's talking about? >> sean, there's more to it that bothers me and should bother most americans. this administration is willing to lie to congress as mr. clapper did in march,ling to mislead what's going on. there's plenty of things going on here. there's plenty of things the congress told us yesterday that's brand new to us and there's real issues of probable cause and real issues of why do you have to collect phone records every day to find the proverbial needle in the haystack. there's a real distrust. >> she said it astounded many of you that went up there. were you astounded by what you learned yesterday? >> well, i was astounded by what i learned, but i also was astounded that when members of the administration admit they lied to members of congress and then said that was probably the right thing to do on these
issues, and the question was raised to one of my colleagues. so if you lied to congress in opening hearing, how d we not know you're lying in this briefing as well. hard to trust what they're saying. >> i'm going to play the tape in just a second so you hear what they're saying. senator senator, i'll go to you. >> i think the breadth of it was released to open sources. i really understoounderstood, i the scope of what they delivered and also what they said it wasn't clear to me where what they were drawing their authority from or where they were hanging their hat and i think you can justify the components of all of this surveillance on its own. maybe justify it as far as an
intrusion into privacy. but when you put this whole picture together it's more than creepy. it's beyond the imagination of george orwell. >> yeah. are the new things that we don't know about as broad and general? a bigger fishing expedition than we know? >> think of it as a fishing expedition that has the capability, not necessarily utilizing it all, of tracking all phone records, not necessarily audio, but possibly, all cell phone activity, the movement of it, the internet activity that's there, put it all together and then know they have both sides of the envelope of every snail mail and looking at the irs that has the software to search these and look at the obama administration that used people with open source data maybe not exclusively, and you've got a picture here that the american people are very concerned about, sean.
>> congressman hueskamp, let's go back to general clapper. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on a million or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not. >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> now, before i get to his clarification, was that a lie, congressman hu elskamp, in light of what we know? it sure looks and sounds like it. we do not have to sacrifice our individual liberties. it's difficult job to do.
he and his staff were accused of lying congress and think clapper has done the same thing here. >> i didn't think clinton could be topped. we were alone but i didn't think we were actually alone. this is what he said to senator wyden. watch this. >> i have a great respect for senator wi for senator wyden like when are you going to stop beating your wife which i thought was not a simple yes or no. so i responded in what i thought was the most truthful or least untruthful manner by saying no. >> least untruthful manner. he knew it was happening and wyden knew it was happening, right, congressman king? >> it looks like he confessed to
essentially misinforming congress. i will tell you i've seen a number of these cabinet members coming forward that they serve on. i've never seen them come with the intention of informing congress. it should be here's the open book, we're doing the right thing, we want to inform you. instead it's divert, it's on fuss kay, it's run out of clock. i've really run out of patience with this administration and i've birthday lied to in classified setting in the past. if this is the case, it's not the first time. >> thank you both for being with us. we'll check in with the mother of 10-year-old sarah. th that will come up later. two former nsa official whistle blowers will explain exactly what's going on behind closed doors at the spy agency, and
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important part of our democracy. and finally if the obama administration requests that snowden get extradited back to the u.s., how will this ever impact future whistle-blowers? joining me now are two men who worked for the nsa for decades and who thaims blew the whistle. kirk and bill are with us. guys, welcome backham combined you guys have 70 years' experience. am i right on that? who has 40? one has 40, one has 30. >> i was close to that. 37 years. >> almost 70 years' experience between the two of you. >> yep. >> in your case, you worked, as i understand it, on a program called thin thread that both of you believe could have prevented 9/11? >> yes, yes. >> explain that. >> well, the point was it focused in on the real targets that you needed to analyze. it's not copying everybody, so you weren't burdened by the bulk
of that collection. what you did is look for the terrorist and his communications into the united states. that would be a first degree. it was a two-degree principle that we were using. then you look at the contact in the united states and the people he communicated with. that was the two-degree principle. that's your zone of suspicion. and then you also look at the jihadi sites and who's using or who's looking at those jihadi sites over and over again. that also gets into the zone of suspicion. the rest of the population you ignore because they're not relevant to doing the target -- the terrorist program. >> you guys -- >> i don't know a terrorist yet that hasn't fit into those two categories of that activity. >> that's interesting. kirk, let me ask you. because this is a revolutionary information processing system. you called it thin thread. you could have done all these things without going after every american and their private information? >> absolutely. it's a crawl into what is called the graph, the relationships that are out there between all
human beings on earth. you don't need all the contacts of those human beings but you need to be able to crawl to them as the court allows and as you present evidence. >> now, the controversy with both of you arose from the faekt that they decided against using your software system for a system called trailblazer that cost b more. bill, why? >> you mean why did they do it? >> really it was a question of economics. they wanted to raise their budget and spend a lot of money. we only spent $3.2 million to develop that program which solved the volume velocity variety problem in the internet and communications worldwide systems and that didn't provide too much in the way of funding for the contractors that they wanted to support.
>> so you believe the system they spent billions of dollars on failed. you worked for them for basically nothing, right? >> that's right. that's right. >> and yours would have prevented 9/11 in your view. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. what we were doing is adding attributes of all the targets, the terrorists' phone numbers, all of that, all that knowledge that was there, we were adding, and so we would write rules that simply said if our system came across it it would alert everybody that needs to know. the fbi, inside nsa, cia, whatever, and it would be done electronically by the rules, which means once they got that data, it would have been known by everybody or at least in their queue to read, within fractions of a millisecond. but also, sean, it would be looking at the two terrorists that came into the united states that later participated in 9/11.
those people were known. and so if our system were deployed, their names coming in on the list of people flying into the united states would have alerted them immediately. so they would have been -- >> go ahead. >> that would have alerted the fbi immediately terrorists were coming into the country. >> wow. so it then became untenable, kirk, for both of you to continue working at the agency. relate that to what this guy snowden is going through. do you have an opinion? is he a hero? is he a traitor? is anybody trying to ascertain that? >> sure. look what happened to us. we got out of the agency in october 20061. and one of the fing thinks we did with the help of diane rourke, a senior staffer on the house committee of intelligence was to approach the hipcy in congress to approach what i call gross mismanagement and funding
of program that had little chance of success, and that failed. that overtur failed abruptly. so then we decided to file an inspector general's report in 2002. that investigation wept on for about two and a half years, and the results of that were redacted to the extent that you really can't read anything as a result. in other words, it was covered up. so when you whistleblow officially through channels in the intelligence community, you come to dead ends and nothing happens. i'm sure snowden watched that happen. >> so in other words you feel this is the only way he could have gotten out a story. >> absolutely. >> guys, thank you both. very revealing. appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up, we have breaking news, good news about 10-year-old sarah murnaghan. we just learn thad doctors successfully completed her double lung transplant, no thanks to kathleen sebelius. we're going to be talking to her
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we've got to security detail that hillary's engamed with prostitutes while on trips. they say it was endemic. and a drug ring to add to really big scandals. penny lee, do you think the president is handling this well? >> it's a long list. they used to be saying they come in threes. now they're coming in threes and fours. look. they're all a serious address and they need to be looked into. what's happened recently at the state department is very troubling and it's troubling to see that some of it wasn't thoroughly examined. some of it wasn't brought out and some of it was asked not to be investigated. that is very troubling and we do need to get to the bottom of it as we do with all of the issues that are hanging out there. >> michelle. penny's at least honest. most don't want to. >> i give her credit.
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we have the attorney general held in contempt, lying on fast and furious and also lying about james rosen. now james clapper is lying. to what extent is that going to factor in to the american public's opinion? >> you're seeing it factored into it right now. we didn't think there would be congress right now with a 13% approval rating and government as an entity at probably its lowest levels and it has rocked in the recent elevations about where the government has been in our own lives is really starting to haunt people. i was hoping and still hope that the president will come forward and address it in a more clarifying way and address it and talk to us as adults about what really has been going on. >> let me ask you. >> if it's about the classified information that can't be shareholder, then he needs to come forth and tell us that in a lot more transparent way.
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the white house-backed bill is planned by a group of senators known as the group of 8. they cleared their first procedural vote. now, watch what left wing lawmaker chucky schumer had to say about what will happen if he has his way on this bill. >> we will not leave these 11 million people in immigration limbo forever. here we give people the chance to be all they can be through their hard work. we want people here to be serving on juries, serving in the military, and saying to people that they are just as american as anybody else. illegal immigration will be a thing of the past. >> all right. is that true, and why is this story important to you, number one, allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens, does it undermine the rule of law. number two, our borders are broken and until we fix what is
in place, you, the taxpayers, are going to foot the bill here. number three, if amnesty is granted it will encourage more illegals to enter this country and we will be forced to have this debate all over again and they're not dealing with the border security now. here with reaction, ann coulter. i go to my daily, nightly drudge report and there it is. if they're this stupid, they deserve to die. did you say that? >> yes, that's the headline of my excellent column this week which i highly recommend everyone read. it's just -- you talk about chuck schumer. well, chuck schumer is playing marco rubio, the jack kevorkian of the republican party. if the amnesty goes through -- it is amnesty, step one, all the triggers to citizenship are phony. there doesn't have to be a fence, there doesn't have to be
everify. it just has to be security assuring us they have a plan. >> none of that has been worked out. ininterviewed rubio today knowing you were going to say that. i specifically asked him. he said without the strict border status, it's only temporary until the borders are fixed. >> that's everything. >> i'm telling you what he said. >> these everything. i know, but that's everything. legalization first. that's the issue. no, we want enforcement first. the idea that they'll not become citizens is a pipe dream. it's preposterous. it starts with legalization. what the american people want, not the employers who want cheap labor, they want enforcement first. this bill has nothing in terms of enforcement. if we were serious about enforcement, just say we're
enforcing everify. >> let's say for example we can buy fur indicate the bill and control the border first. what would ann coulter do with the 11 million people who did not respect the laws of sovereignty and came here legally? >> this is a total fraud and a figment that the american people can't sleep at night because the situation is the same as it was in 1987. >> you're not answering my question. >> it's been 20 years -- contrary, you are like a -- >> i'm teasing. >> nobody cares. >> hang on. >> this idea that it's an emergency, it's a crisis, it's preposterous. >> ann. >> the same thing will happen that's happening now. >> hang on a second. no. what i'm arguing you is if we don't secure our border, we have major international security problem. >> yeah. >> i'm asking you because the house is talking about buy fur indicating the two provisions.
control the border -- >> that would be a disaster. >> control the border, get it totally secured, verified, secure, 100%. if that happened in a hypothetical, then what would you do? >> then we'd have this other bill. okay n okay. in the abstract, that would be a fine idea. first we request 100% enforcement of everify. if they were serious they would demand it, build the fence right now. the fence is not some new technology. it's been around since the middle ages. but at this point because the house and these jack kevorkians of the republican party like kelly ayotte who i hope gets a primary opponent and marco rubio who i hope gets a primary opponent and the rest of them, they're going to pass the amnesty bill. if the house passes anything that passes immigration -- this very important hannity viewers, so pay attention here, if they do nothing but enforce everify,
it goes into the conference between the two bodies and it will come out an amnesty bill. that point if it's voted on in the house and in the senate, we have amnesty, the country is over and the only thing we have left for me and you to do, sean, is punish the people who destroyed america. >> what do you mean it's over? >> i mean if amnesty goes through, it's over. they're allowed to let in all of their distant family members. we're talking about another 30 million unskilled immigrants, which is what they are. they will not be paying taxes. i don't know what rand paul thinks he's talking about. only 47 americans already don't pay taxes. we're not talking about high skilled workers who would be in a tax bracket to pay taxes. they'll be getting money back. it will bankrupt the country. moreover, what your friend karl rove says, it won't. no, they won't vote republican
because democrats are racist lyingly. hispanics are natural democrats. they think capitalism is a bad system. they're the most pro-choice. foreign born -- >> hispanic catholics? >> yes, the foreign born, this is according to pew. pew research in their polls do not believe that the hispanics are the same as blacks. no, this will be a disaster for the republican party. the entire country will become california. the republicans will have a few good years and then we'll never have another election. thank you, marco rubio. >> next time -- you were holding back. next time let it out. >> i'll be in studio next week. >> i'd better be careful if i piss you off. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> we have breaking news about the 10-year-old girl sarah who earlier today finally underwent surgery for a double lung
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>> her family rushed to the hospital and received lungs in a six hour surgery today. the little girl from outside of nid suffers from cystic fibrosis fueling the debate over transplant rules for children. she was a sick little girl. her family said she had a week to live and a court ruling aloued skmer other children of
her faith to get adult lungs in a plant culminating to'd's surgery. her family obviously very happy tonight. sarah's new lungs came from an unknown donor here in the region. right now, the challenge is recoverry. we're told, though, she may be breathing on her own, sean, within 4 hours and within two weeks may be running around the hauls of the hospital so a very happy family tonight. 18 months for wait lg for new organs she's breathing with new lungs tonight. >> sean: great story and happy ending here, she's in our prayers. joining us now on the phone is sarah's aunt with us. congratulations on the great news. tell us how you found out this moment had come? you'd been waiting a long time. >> yes. we're in sarah's hospital room
give sarah the gift of the life. they are the true heroes today, which i thought was very thoughtful on your part. i know the country's been praying for little sarah. we couldn't be happier. we will be following her progress. thanks so much, sharon, for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> for more on sarah's condition and the recovery she faces from the fox news medical team. dr. mark segel is here. how -- she was a prime candidat5 for the adult -- lungs? this was very do-able? her doctor said that. but if this waiver was not granted by a judge, the decision not to sign the waiver by kathleen sebelius, she wouldn't have gotten this today? >> medical justice has prevailed tonight. we all have children. sean, we would want our children to be ahead ofous any transplant list. 100%. i spoke to the surgical transplant director at columbia, he says this is political
justice. >> he's doing great. >> we have great news tonight. children should be first. they should be getting a chance altadult lungs. there is a 90% chance that these lungs will last a year, 75% they will last 5 years. cystic fibrosis, of all end-stage lung disease does the best with transplant. that's her only hope. now she will be doing very well. they have to keep a close eye on her. she will be out of the hospital in a few weeks. she will be walking, dancing in the halls. >> seriously. she will be walking and dancing in the halls in what period of time? >> over a few weeks. the new lungs will bring her up to 70 to 80% lung function, from where she was, less than 20%. she will be able to live a normal life. what american wouldn't want their children to have this chance? >> sath lean sebelius wouldn't sign this exception. so in other words, the doctor was saying it would work ask she wouldn't cyb the waiver.
was she basically giving this girl a death sentence then? >> i think she was. i think it's because she is a politician, rather than a physician. she kept saying, i'm not a physician. but she is in a position to make medical decisions. all the physicians i talked to said this should be done. they have more years todl1m li. thetes let's give them those years. >> talk about death panels. this sounds like a death panel. thank god a judge overruled here. >> we got it in the right direction. >> peter sawnson deserves all the credit. coming up next, final votes are being tabulated. when we return, we will reveal your pick for today's video of thee)kñ day. frequent heartburn? the choice is yos. chalky... not chalky. temporary... 24 hour. lots of tablets... one pill. you decide. prevent acid with prevacid 24hr. vo: ta friend under water is end usomething completely different.
way, f-16s and military tanks. you paid for it so you can be at war with us and israel. unbelievable. that's all the time we have this evening. the news continues greta is next to go on the record. see you tomorrow night. tonight, are we getting a bunch of double talk from the obama administration? >> the level of hypocrisy that exists in washington, really knows no limit, quite frankly. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. so i responded what i thought was the most truthful or least untruthful manner by saying no. >> when the president sets the tone, the others in the administration follow, and